Warriors Need to be Able to Heal!

Get ready this will be a long one...

Fabled T7 Bucklers for Warriors

Wow, where to start. This thread was doomed to be a cesspool of ignorance from conception. The original post was calling for fabled bucklers oriented towards tanks to be included in the game more often. This of course is because of the stamina AA path that most warriors choose that gives them the benefit of double attacking as long as they equip a 1hander + buckler instead of a tower shield. It may sound like a fair trade off on paper, but in reality the 3-5% avoidance lost by equipping a buckler is all but negligeable. By asking for "tank oriented" bucklers to be added in, basically what Kalidon is saying is make a buckler that is equivalent to a tower shield for tanking. This of course spurned a huge debate.


1. The stamina AA line for warriors is overpowered, period. Of all the classes that get a double attack option, warriors have to give up the least by far. As I mentioned, switching from a tower shield to a buckler is a minor inconvenience at best and not really a penalty at all. Rogues have to keep their secondary slot empty and brawlers need to go completely unarmed. Warriors? They just have to use a slightly smaller shield and still retain all their mitigation, so who really cares if you get hit 1 more time out of 20 swings for a highly mitigated amount?

2. Everyone already knew that this line was overpowered, they had learned to accept it. Calling for items to be put in game that enhance an already overpowered ability? Now that is a joke. It makes as much sense as someone seriously asking for summoners to do 2x more damage but get 1/2 as much aggro. Its just idiotic. Here is a tip for ALL classes out there: If you are the beneficiary of an overpowered ability, do NOT ask for upgrades, be happy with what you have. Asking for upgrades is only going to draw extra attention to your abilities and result in a high liklihood of them being nerfed.

So now of course you have the standard players posting about how this AA was already overpowered and now we're going to ride it since you were foolish enough to bring it up as needing to be upgraded vs the sheep who are members of the guild run by the OP, the berserkers (argueably the most overpowered class in game) who cant stand the thought of everything they do not being better than other players, and guardians whom I have already expressed my feelings on in a previous post. Yes there are one or 2 good people from the various "cliches" posting intelligent remarks here and there, but as a majority they fall into the afore mentioned categories. What I think most of the warriors are failing to realize is that the people saying it is overpowered are not asking for the dps to be nerfed even, they are simply saying the purely offensive AA path should have drawbacks in the form of tanking ability. Nobody should expect to be able to tank and simultaneously do top end dps. Thats just plain stupid.

Now before we get too far into the thread, let me just bring something up. DPS Tiers. Yes we have all heard of them and yes we all know that SOE regrets ever posting them. They were intended to be a rough guidelines, not a bread and butter, do or die ruleset that the playerbase turned them into. It was perfectly reasonable that at times classes would be up or down a tier for various reasons. All in all though, the layout was still a guideline for the balancing they hoped to achieve. So looking at the DPS tiers we cant at least form a reasonable estimate of what classes should be at least equal in dps to others.

T1 - Wizard, Warlock, Assassin, Ranger
T2 - Conjuror (using dps pet), Necromancer (using dps pet), Brigand, Swashbuckler
T3 - Conjuror (using tank pet), Necromancer (using tank pet), Troubadour, Dirge, Illusionist, Coercer, Bruiser, Monk
T4 - Berserker, Shadowknight, Paladin, Guardian
T5 - Fury, Warden, Defiler, Mystic, Inquisitor, Templar

These classes are supposedly listed from relative top to relative bottom within the tiers as well. Keep in mind this reflects the developers rough guildelines for where classes should be dps wise and nothing else. Using our brains it is easy to see that a warrior doing high end dps on encounters where they may shine could feasibly be doing dps equal to the t3 classes.

Now back to the thread.

The first defense from the warriors of the world came in the form of: Buckler reversal proc's a ton of damage so warriors can really only do decent dps when tanking. Calaglin quickly shot this theory down as he posted a zone wide parse from Lyceum (a zone with MANY multi mob encounters so the dmg would be higher than normal). This parse showed that buckler reversal accounted for a mere 3% of the total damage output of the warrior who was tanking. It is the 5th post from the bottom here.

So now we have some warriors who are absoultey upset and throw into a fit. My favorite quote appears from Comalv, a berserker in Xanadu on the Runnyeye server:

"i think that all players that say that STA line is overpowered need to a) learn to play their character better, b) get a life and quit whining."

Ok Comalv, Im saying the STA line is overpowered and your saying I need to learn to play my character better. Find me a conjuror whose out parsing me zone wide. Yeah, I havent seen one either. Oh and Ill be sure to get out of my mother's basement and get a job even though Im 10 years old right?


I will give credit though to Henladar Bloodheart for being a realist and saying:

"This is coming for a zerker who tanks alot of [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]... rdy for it? STA LINE IS OVERPOWERED!"


Oh and lets not forget this one from AncientElster:

"I do about 700dps or so *without* a buckler in the MT group.

I guess that means guardians are overpowered then Phov?"

No, it just means you fucking suck AncientElster. Seriously your really bad if thats all you can do. Im sorry but you might want to re-roll and try and learn your class when you level up this time.


Now here is where things get sad. I like the guild Fable. I respect Fable, but this berseker of theirs, Bravesword, says some really stupid shit (more from him later, and dont feel bad Fable, we all have that one person that posts dumb comments):

"You noobs must be able to see the way SOE designed the classes: Scouts, mages, and fighters all have 1 subclass, that sticks out as low on dps, but high on utility"

Actually Bravesword, SOE designed this game so that ALL priests could heal, ALL fighters could tank, ALL mages and ALL scouts could dps. That is what this game and all of those classes were founded upon, that core ability. Believe it or not, enchanters, bards, rangers, and warlocks are all dps first and now your want to be able to be the MT for all content in game AND outperform these classes on their base roles? Get a clue. Look back at those dps tiers. You doing the same dps as bards and enchanters is ok, but not as the norm and you shouldnt be out parsing them regularily either, maybe only once in a great while if at all. Please at least have an idea of how SOE designed the classes before commenting on it in the future.


Now for those of you who have read this before, you probably know who Anariale is. He's is the paladin turned Guardian named Darton in the guild Ghosts of War on the Permafrost server. This guy is your classic little brother. He wants to hang out with the big boys but gets all flustered and acts like he doesnt care whenever they laugh at him. This is what I wrote about him in a public thread on the Dissolution boards the other day:

1. GoW guy makes post making outlandish and/or stupid claim
2. Real raiders from different servers point out how prior claim was laughable at best
3. GoW guy argues, making himself look even dumber some how
4. Real raiders write him off as retard and mock him and his guild relentlessly
5. GoW guy replies with "it works for us, so whatever /shrug

That being said, check out his quote in this thread!:

"Time to stop the Rumors guys...
1) Guardians with bucklers do NOT do Tier 1 damage.
2) 30% or more of a MT's DPS comes from reactive damage"

Um, didnt we just point out how the biggest "reactive damage" was a mere 3% of the warriors dps? Yes we did. Learn to read you idiot. Oh and how about how they don't do t1 damage. Im sorry, if the MT of a raid can do a zone wide parse of 1500 wich is right there with all the top dps classes, they are doing t1 damage. Its not hard to open your eyes and read numbers. God I knew this retard would post something stupid in this thread, I just knew it.


While we are on stupid posts, lets go back to Bravesword:

"You say it is ok that an enchanter can deal 950 dps, but it is waaaay too much for a warrior. Eh, can you tell me the logic behind this? Enchanters are much more like crusaders, than warriors. Warriors take damage and deal damage. That is what they are build for. Enchanters are supporters like paladins. If a paladin could ever come close to a warrior in dealing dps and taking just as little damage as a warrior, who would play a warrior? NOONE!"

Hey, do you know why nobody should be playing crusaders? Its because warriors deal more dps and tank better! Im not even going to expand on the sheer stupidity behind posting that enchanters are more like crusaders than warriors are. I mean, good lord. Oh and again, Warriors were never about dealing damage, take damage yes, deal damage no. Dealing damage is for the dps classes, the scouts and mages, wich is, GASP, what an enchanter is.


And then there is this guy named Krontak who is a swashbuckler in the guild Rapture on Blackburrow. For some reason he's just not smart. Ive seen a few dumb posts from him before, but his hangup in this thread revolves around this, wich he repeatedly brings up:

"I saw the post disso had on the zonewide(or what we were lead to believe was zonewide, including even single target encounters)."

Yes, we found some invicible mob that could take unlimited damage and racked up huge numbers against him. Or we took our 2 best parses and added 4 zero's to the end of it. Oh and then we deleted out every 3rd fight. Seriously, stop and think for 5 seconds before posting. Anyone with a brain who has done these zones can tell that is a true zone wide parse. What good would making up data do? What possible reason would we have for that? If it had to be made up to show that something is overpowered, that would mean it actually isnt overpowered. You do realize we have 2 warriors in guild who both use the STA line right? Why on earth would we want to get them nerfed/fixed if the ability wasnt over powered? Its not hard to use your brain. Kids start doing it before they learn to walk, try it some time Krontak.


So at this point Dissolution is getting ready to raid lyceum since our lockout has expired. This is the one zone we use our berserker as a MT because of their superior AE aggro control. The MT group is set up as normal and as the fairly typical group used by high end raid guilds. Our guardian was our off tank should shit hit the fan or something. We pull fast so quite often we find ourselves with multiple groups of mobs and he is required to tank. Also the guardian is going to be tanking Vilucidae at the end of the zone. This shows the guardian's group is more than capable of tank ready, not being doctored up much at all. He has healers, he has buffs, he has support, its a solid group. We do our usual parsing, at the end of the zone, the bersker comes out with 1535 dps. The guardian comes out with 1230. Can anyone honestly say that 1535 dps isnt top end for an entire zone? That is absolutely ridiculous to see the MT of the raid get that high. What is even more ridiculous is that the best tanking class in the game in a still very reasonable tank group put up a 1230 for the zone. Perhaps I should mention we did the zone with 20 people so these numbers could have been higher. We were missing our inquisitor, wizard and both assassins (and our hit by a truck swashbuckler). Do you realize how fast shit would have died with those classes? I dont have the exact raid parse infront of me, but if I recall correctly I was atop the zone wide dps list with the necromancer and berserker tied for second/third. I know people want to use the arguement that well you guys as a raid do more dps blah blah blah. Yeah maybe we do but we were missing 4 big time dps characters so our raid dps that night was much more what you would expect from a regular guild. That should be evident by the fact that 1500 raid wide dps was in our top 3 (I cant help it that Im uber and even though I died 4x I can still do 1800 zone wide with no troub in group:))

But do any of these facts matter? No of course not because as I have said, 90% of the MT's out there are just plain stupid. You have people trying to discredit the guardian that wasnt tanking but still in a group allowing him to tank if need be. They post just ignorant crap like our friend Bravesword:

"So to me it looks like a guardian, who is not MT has a very hard time keeping up with the rest of the fighters"

What part of the 1200 dps not tanking was so hard for you to see? Thats good dps period. Many guilds are thrilled with that zone wide from dps classes. This is a fucking guardian who isnt tanking. If he was tanking his dps would have been higher and he would have had a better group!


Or how about AncientElster again:

"Clearly you set your raid up to enhance your fighters DPS"

Didnt I just say how he was set up for tanking and not dps? As previously discussed in that thread a proper tank group does have some dps benefits associated with it. Shit, all 4 of our groups are set up for dps by many guilds standards.


And then for fun lets go back to Bravesword with his absolute dumbest comment yet:

"You claim, that a warriors sta AA line is way overpowered. Ok. Show me one parse, where a guardian, who is not MT and has the Sta AAs, parse more than 800. My guess is, that it is close to impossible."

Seriously, how did you miss the huge fucking parse breakdown of the guardian who didnt tank doing 1200+ zone wide dps? close to impossible? Try all that and 50% more. Wow, just wow. People are so blind its scary sometimes. Scafloc, this guy is your leader? Please tell me he is hungover today or something. Unfortunately he wasnt done posting:

"Oh, and Pinski, why don't we nerf the illusionists as well. I see no comment from you on the zonewide parse, where our illusionist did 1200dps. Enchanters must be nerfed..."

Did he forget that illusionist are mages and are supposed to do dps? Did he forget the part where guardians are supposed to be the ultimate defensive tank? How can you forget such core mechanics? Its absolutely mindblowing. Your able to tank the hardest mob that has been killed (Chel'drak) and do good dps while using a buckler. How can anyone not see how wrong this is? The buckler line is supposed to lower your defensive capabilities but enhance your offensive ones. It is for the warriors who are not tanking in a raid. It was never intended to be used while tanking and therefore it needs a much bigger drawback than it currently has, something like the brawler and rogue double attack aa's have.


Now unfortunately I have to quote Crabbok from EL over on the Bazaar here. He actually was posting pretty well this whole time but this comment was fairly bad:

"thats right where warriors should be on parse...about 5th or 6th"

So of Assassins, Brigands, Conjurors, Necromancers, Rangers, Swashbucklers, Warlocks, and Wizards, wich ones should the warriors be out dps'ing and why exactly? His statement was clearly not thought out at all.


So now Krontak steps back in:

"Those parses above, with the charts...are they from only 2 encounters merged together?"

Yes, we did millions of damage on 2 encounters. I honestly think this guy is just dense and unobservant. He's one of those people that walk around completely unaware of the world around them at all times.


Anyways, thats my rant on this thread. I cant post on the SOE boards and I was astonished at the level of garbage I was seeing there. I should make note that Scafloc was doing his best to run damage control on Bravesword at times so hats off to him. And to see what I found as the highlight of this thread, take a look at page 4 when Phov from Vagabonds on the Unrest server told Kalidon exactly how useless his SK comment was in the whole spectrum of the disucssion. Also, Koenig's line of comments leading up to Guantlet was good.

Born to Raid

I just have one question. Who the fuck are the Lords of the Tripple Moon?

If Mistmoore server is Born to Raid, then Nektulos should be the poster server for Born to Roleplay and Nagafen can be Born to PvE.

Like a Clown: Funny or Sad?

Let me ramble for a little bit about tanks and guilds.

Ok so its not a huge secret that 90% or more of the "Main Tanks" in the world are fairly stupid. I dont know why that is, but it just is. If you take any random 10 MT's of 10 random guilds, at least 9 of them will be people too stupid to even hold a 5 minute conversation. Of course there are regular people who choose to pursue the main tank roll too, but those are few and far between. Regardless of what I may think of their guilds, off the top of my head, Kirby of NPU, Psykil of Chaotic Legion, and Vellek of Vagabonds are seemingly some of the more intelligent MT's of the world. That is to say, they dont adopt the "I are da MT. I know everyting. Me always right." philosophy that so many MT's seem to have.

See, I know I should never be the MT for a guild. Its not that I cant play a tank class (I used to play Magank all the time), but that I have an ego that is more than large enough. It certantly doesnt need to be inflated with the "Im the tank" crap. And coincidingly I dont generaly tolerate that from our tanks. When one starts getting that way they find themselves being put down rather quickly. Maybe this is part of the reason Disso has gone through a few tanks, but its working well for us and I dont think we have any regrets.

Then there are guilds.

Some guilds are just brash, blunt, rude, and outspoken to an extreme, like Dissolution. There are quiet guilds you dont hear much from like Fable. There are the show boat guilds like NPU, and then a whole ton of regular guilds that just go about their business, commenting when they see fit.

Now, the one thing I have left out here is the dumbass guild. In the case of a guild that seems to be 90% dumbasses, your only hope is to PRAY that their leader or MT is an at least semi-intelligent person. Should the dumbass guild be paired with a complete retard, you achieve what is known as: Ethereal Legacy.

I have come across some very dumb people playing in this game, but Kalidon takes the cake. Part of the reason may be because he needs to have two people playing him so they dont even know what conversation they tried to have just a couple hours prior.

We have all seen Kalidon's post explaining their uber strategy that he dubbed "Death Coordination". But did you all know that EL publicly denies ever using death coordination and says that Dissolution (me) made it all up? Seriously, I can link you to Kalidon's post 100x over ("RIGHT HERE!") but these people are so dumb, they just dont get it that Kalidon was the one who said it. Honestly, its right there in black and white. You said it, you admited to it, now just hang your heads in shame and maybe it will go away. Making up stuff isnt going to help your cause because we all already know.

And speaking of making up stuff...

Kalidon as posted in that thread cares about his credibility. Any credibility he may have had left has long since been thrown out the window. A lot (ok a majority) of the pointing, laughing, and generally making fun of has come from Dissolution so Kalidon got all mad. To combat the joke he has become he has taken it upon himself to make up lies about Disso and then repeate them until he honestly believes they are true. Last night in the guk.guardians channel he accused of us about 100 different exploits, asked about them, when told it was made up, he asked again about 100 more times. I actually determined that only one of the two people playing Kalidon is literate so one does the typing and the other is supposed to read, but cant so they can never actually understand anything.

Of all the exploits Kalidon made up, I think my favorite had to be how Disso's conjuror (me) pulled Jura'Nata with a pet and ran her off away from the raid to OTHER FLOORS of PPR while the raid killed her adds one at a time and she reset. Besides the obvious on how that is impossible, I wasnt even online when they first killed Jura'Nata. Seriously, I would love to know how from my vacation around chirstmas time I was able to do complex, impossible pulls. But when Kalidon was told this information, he insisted that what he made up happened. Honestly, that has to be the most retarded thing I can think of, making up something and when the key part of your story is discovered to not even have been online sticking to it anyways? The word dense isnt strong enough.

After 90 minutes to 2 hours of his broken record of made up bullshit, I thought I would join in the fun. I made up that Kalidon and EL had to exploit Pedastaly of Sky and the Supernova, and then subsequently repeat it so that Kalidon might get an idea of how insanely stupid he looked. Strangely enough what I thought I had made up ended up being true. It turns out that EL did actually exploit the Supernova and admited to doing so through Crabbok to one of our members. So now Kalidon turned into a burning rage at wich point I continued to spam the channel some more just for a few more laughs while all his guildmates kept talking to each other like the world wide guardian channel cared about what EL's wizard thinks about a wizards dps.

So anyways, to the point here, I just wanted to ask what does everyone think of Kalidon/EL? Are they extremely funny or just plain sad? Are they a true uber guild from the bazaar or just a joke?

At this point, I know that Kalidon keeps dancing for my amusement and I thoroughly enjoy reading his ignorant ass try and form rational thoughts that usually just end up as garbled sentance fragments full of lies he concocted. I sincerely hope that he keeps posting and shouting like he is worth a damn. Speaking of wich, has EL ever world firsted anything? (and no, items that are random drops dont count)

To keep with the trend, here's the next "Born to Raid"

This time at least it is a real guild. A guild that you know, actually raids and isn't some wannabe pvp guild. Most importantly it isn't a real raiding guild that wants to have Tamat/SOE's child. Whether intended or not, Esar at least turned those questions into a little of what I was hoping to see this whole time, someone saying what needs to happen in EoF if SOE wishes to retain their raiding playerbase.

The most entertaining thing though about this article is probably the introduction on the eq2.ogaming main site:

"Born to Raid: Eternal Chaos

This week I had the chance to sit down with Quantum from the Havoc guild on the Nagafen server. Quantum shared with us just what it's like to be a hardcore raiding guild on a PvP server in this installment of our "Born to Raid" EverQuest II raiding guild series. Check out the Havoc website for more information about the guild. Here is a little sample of the interview..."

Way to take some pride and not just copy paste things there....

Lol

Ok now this is officially nothing more than a running joke. Interviewing the best of the best my ass. See for yourself here.

Round 3

The long awaited, much anticipated third installment of "Born to Raid" is finally here!

This time the lucky guild is Havoc, a PvP guild on the Nagafen server.

Is it just me or this a very random selection? There is no rhyme or reason for this guild to grace the pages of ogaming third. Honestly, Im going to bet a fair number of big time raiders dont even know who Havoc is. The only reason I know of them is because the guild was founded by my original guild leader when I was in Chaotic Legion and then became a member when we formed Dissolution, and a current member of Dissolution.

The PvP servers are just too new to have an established raid guild on them that is "born to raid". Im sure Havoc does just fine (they should since their leader and members are constantly asking us for help with encounters), but where did this come from? It seems like Tamat's heart wasnt really into the interview either. There werent any interesting questions or anything. It was just kind of bland. Because of this, I am hoping the next update will be arriving shortly, so here is who I would like to see interviewed and what type of questions they should answer:

1. Ethereal Legacy from The Bazaar. I want them to explain in detail their strategy of "Death Coordination". Furthermore I want to understand their reasoning for running away from Eternal Chaos back when they were on Faydark and how they feel knowing that many people write them off as a joke for having to play on a special rules server where everyone can trasnfer to for free but can never leave.

2. Chaotic Legion from Kithicor. I want them to explain why they ran away from Dissolution and why they try and exploit all encounters. Also, I would like to hear how their plans of "beating everyone on a world wide level" is coming.

3. Ne Plus Ultra from Guk. I know they were already interviewed but I am sure Tamat misses them greatly and cant wait to talk to them again. Plus that way I could at least be entertained because this Havoc interview was boring.

Those are my suggestions off the top of my head. If anyone has any good ones (feel free to take a shot at Dissolution, we're used to it :)) lets hear them. Otherwise I got nothing because things have been rather boring lately.