More fun with Second Dawn!
Ok I got tired of waiting for a real reply like the ones I asked for on the last update so here's one for people to flame away!
If anything, the last update proves that the average intelligence of the Second Dawn/Second Dawn fans out there isnt high enough to read simple paragraphs. It was proven by their repeated replies wich did not fill the required form that was clearly stated at the top of that post. In the end, I guess the update proved what I wanted it to, that what I posted are facts and the SD folks just cant say anything against them that are also facts. They lose.
So since it was unfortunate I had to remove some fairly entertaining flames because I clearly stated what kidn of replies for that one post, Ill try and summ up what was lost (feel free to repost them on this update, notice this is back to normal and anything that was fine to post before is fine again)
I suck
I'm a bitch
Beer is good
I have a small penis
I live with my mom
Dissolution sucks
Dissolution just says the Avatar is broken cuz they are hurt
I think that about covers it all. Now let me ask a question? If the avatar of Valor wasnt broken, how come Exil, leader of Second Dawn admitted that SD just got lucky with no adds spawning for a long time near the start of their fight? How come SOE released a change to that encounter on test today to introduce a mob that never spawned before but was supposed to be spawning?
Evidentally it was broken, as anyone with a brain could tell. Of course, that didnt stop Second Dawn because if you remember, they swamped the SOE boards saying how great of an encounter it was, great script, and Petgroup inparticular was especially adamant that the encounter was not broken. God that guy must feel like a complete dumbass.
I am pretty sure Second Dawn is butthurt because exactly what I said was going to happen, happened. A bigtime beta guild (Second Dawn) world firsted the content they had been beta testing for a month before any regular guild (Dissolution) had a chance to pull it. Its like I said before, I would be ashamed if Dissolution was a special needs guild that beta tests and did NOT world first everything in EoF. There was no level cap to slow down, we had top end gear already, we would have come out and world firsted it all if were in beta or hung our heads in cold, bitter shame. Second Dawn obviously doesnt feel that way and is content taking an extra month over the rest of the world. I guess that is the difference between the two guilds, ours wants to be the best, where Second Dawn acknowledges that they need an extra month.
The fact that Second Dawn can never escape from is they were in EoF at the begining of October. That is a fact, I have the screenshot to prove it and it has been posted before. EoF did not release until mid November. Second Dawn has 6 weeks to try and learn the content. The sad thing is, they arent even bright enough to tell when a mob is obviously broken like the Avatar of Valor is/was.
I for one, am quite happy that of all the raid content cleared that Dissolution did it either first or second in EoF so far. We knew going in that beating beta guilds was going to be very hard because they had been playing with the content for weeks and talking to developers about what abilites mobs have and we were all just getting to see it for the first time on our own. I enjoy challenging encounters, so do the other members of Dissolution. I guess Second Dawn would prefer to be a special needs beta guild. That is a fact they cannot overcome until the next expansion. They know its true that they needed that extra edge, if it wasnt, they wouldnt care what Dissolution has to say about it, but because it is true they are hurt that someone actually called them on it.
Its not a coincidence that the guilds that beta test always do better. For proof look at KoS. Everyone new NPU beta tested it, NPU got a lot of world firsts in KoS. NPU didnt do very much beta testing in EoF and how many world firsts do they have? Second Dawn didnt do much if any beta testing in KoS, didnt do shit. Suddenly they get to beta test EoF and they are getting world firsts. Its not a coincidence, its that they have seen these mobs before, they have fought them before, and the ones that were changed were changed based on their feedback and what their raid could/could not handle.
So in the end, yes Second Dawn got number 1 on Wuoshi, Mayong, and Avatar of Valor(BROKEN version). And yes, Second Dawn saw all that stuff in beta. Grats I guess if your proud of that and feel its something to boast about as you obviously do. I for one would never want to lower my guild to beta testing and working with devs so if we have to lose a couple world firsts to a special needs guild so be it. Grats Dissolution on killing the same encounters while maintaining the integrity and the balls to do it without an extra month and without a helping hand.
Potatoes Potahtoes. Some people are willing to take a harder rode to say they did it on their own, some people are content to take the easy rode and rely on help from developers. To each their own I guess.
If anything, the last update proves that the average intelligence of the Second Dawn/Second Dawn fans out there isnt high enough to read simple paragraphs. It was proven by their repeated replies wich did not fill the required form that was clearly stated at the top of that post. In the end, I guess the update proved what I wanted it to, that what I posted are facts and the SD folks just cant say anything against them that are also facts. They lose.
So since it was unfortunate I had to remove some fairly entertaining flames because I clearly stated what kidn of replies for that one post, Ill try and summ up what was lost (feel free to repost them on this update, notice this is back to normal and anything that was fine to post before is fine again)
I suck
I'm a bitch
Beer is good
I have a small penis
I live with my mom
Dissolution sucks
Dissolution just says the Avatar is broken cuz they are hurt
I think that about covers it all. Now let me ask a question? If the avatar of Valor wasnt broken, how come Exil, leader of Second Dawn admitted that SD just got lucky with no adds spawning for a long time near the start of their fight? How come SOE released a change to that encounter on test today to introduce a mob that never spawned before but was supposed to be spawning?
Evidentally it was broken, as anyone with a brain could tell. Of course, that didnt stop Second Dawn because if you remember, they swamped the SOE boards saying how great of an encounter it was, great script, and Petgroup inparticular was especially adamant that the encounter was not broken. God that guy must feel like a complete dumbass.
I am pretty sure Second Dawn is butthurt because exactly what I said was going to happen, happened. A bigtime beta guild (Second Dawn) world firsted the content they had been beta testing for a month before any regular guild (Dissolution) had a chance to pull it. Its like I said before, I would be ashamed if Dissolution was a special needs guild that beta tests and did NOT world first everything in EoF. There was no level cap to slow down, we had top end gear already, we would have come out and world firsted it all if were in beta or hung our heads in cold, bitter shame. Second Dawn obviously doesnt feel that way and is content taking an extra month over the rest of the world. I guess that is the difference between the two guilds, ours wants to be the best, where Second Dawn acknowledges that they need an extra month.
The fact that Second Dawn can never escape from is they were in EoF at the begining of October. That is a fact, I have the screenshot to prove it and it has been posted before. EoF did not release until mid November. Second Dawn has 6 weeks to try and learn the content. The sad thing is, they arent even bright enough to tell when a mob is obviously broken like the Avatar of Valor is/was.
I for one, am quite happy that of all the raid content cleared that Dissolution did it either first or second in EoF so far. We knew going in that beating beta guilds was going to be very hard because they had been playing with the content for weeks and talking to developers about what abilites mobs have and we were all just getting to see it for the first time on our own. I enjoy challenging encounters, so do the other members of Dissolution. I guess Second Dawn would prefer to be a special needs beta guild. That is a fact they cannot overcome until the next expansion. They know its true that they needed that extra edge, if it wasnt, they wouldnt care what Dissolution has to say about it, but because it is true they are hurt that someone actually called them on it.
Its not a coincidence that the guilds that beta test always do better. For proof look at KoS. Everyone new NPU beta tested it, NPU got a lot of world firsts in KoS. NPU didnt do very much beta testing in EoF and how many world firsts do they have? Second Dawn didnt do much if any beta testing in KoS, didnt do shit. Suddenly they get to beta test EoF and they are getting world firsts. Its not a coincidence, its that they have seen these mobs before, they have fought them before, and the ones that were changed were changed based on their feedback and what their raid could/could not handle.
So in the end, yes Second Dawn got number 1 on Wuoshi, Mayong, and Avatar of Valor(BROKEN version). And yes, Second Dawn saw all that stuff in beta. Grats I guess if your proud of that and feel its something to boast about as you obviously do. I for one would never want to lower my guild to beta testing and working with devs so if we have to lose a couple world firsts to a special needs guild so be it. Grats Dissolution on killing the same encounters while maintaining the integrity and the balls to do it without an extra month and without a helping hand.
Potatoes Potahtoes. Some people are willing to take a harder rode to say they did it on their own, some people are content to take the easy rode and rely on help from developers. To each their own I guess.
posted by Ishbu at 12:31 AM
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You should write emo songs. I think you'd be good at that.
Btw rode = road.
Im not the one crying because they want to be respected when all they are is a special needs guild. Perhaps you mean to address that to second dawn?
ok u said grats on disso for beating mobs with integrity, wtf dude, do even read wot ur guild members post? since SD have beaten mobs that u said were unkillable all disso members have posted how SD had inside information and was a beta guild. Wow, huge integrity. How bout u stop being a little bitch and try mobs that are "unkillable" and maybe u will feel alot better with urselves rather than looking like a bunch of cry babies cos u didn't world 1st anything. U really make me laugh on how u get so uptight about a game (that's right it's only a game). Dude get ur facts on what SD beta tested and for how long they spent testing a mob and maybe u'll have some ground to stand on.
BTW, grats disso on having a cry baby bitch of a guild leader, i can see why Gaige and LFG left =)
Gaige got booted actually and LFG has no mind of his own and followed his friend.
And if you knew what you were talking about you would know I posted before EoF came out that any beta guild that kills stuff and brags about is flat out pathetic. Its not my fault Second Dawn basically stood up and said look at us, we're pathetic and needed beta info.
The facts are SD is a beta guild. They tested these encounters before they went live. They talked to developers about them. They are a special needs guild. Im sorry that hurts your feelings, maybe next time they will decline the beta invitation and actually try to kill stuff without a major adavantage. I personally doubt they will because they know they need that leg up and that special help. If they dont, they know how they can prove me wrong but lets face it, they wont.
By the way, this isnt a new arguement for us. It is exactly the same thing we went through with NPU and KoS. Now NPU didnt really beta test much if any EoF and where are they now? The same thing would happen to Second Dawn if they didnt beta test.
If they really think they are such a great guild they would/will decline a beta invitation. If they accept another one they are just saying we need special help, we are not good enough. If your such a big fan of them, get on their case to not bitch out and beta tes. Dont let them give you the excuse they want to make the game work right because they have proven to suck at that.
/hands Ishbu a tissue
I know Second Dawn beta tested avatars and Emerald Halls for over a month before they went live.
I know that gives them a full month with that stuff, learning it, seeing some of their abilities, seeing where to pull them, etc etc over regular guilds.
I know that is a major advantage and that since they were a beta guild their feedback is what is used to change and modify the encounters, so they are tuned even more to the beta guilds liking.
I know that Second Dawn has been around since t5 and couldnt even come close to world first such as these without beta testing.
Like I said, prove me wrong. It would be very easy for them not to beta test next expansion, but we all know they will if they can because they NEED that advantage, they NEED that extra month. They cannot say they dont because they havent been able to do it without.
ishfag wrote - I know Second Dawn beta tested avatars and Emerald Halls for over a month before they went live.
LOLZ, like i said, get ur facts right =)
Ishbu: "I know Second Dawn beta tested avatars and Emerald Halls for over a month before they went live."
I know they didn't beta test this stuff. Prove me wrong. Not with some crappy screen shot from a tour, not with some he said/she said bullshit, but with some cold hard facts.
Where's your evidence? I don't think you really have any.
I don't see how slandering another guild that's beaten you to the kills is advancing your agenda at all.
I'd recommend you drop this whole line until you can present us all with some *concrete* evidence, otherwise the hole you've dug yourself into is just going to continue to get deeper and deeper.
I can prove you wrong, I can show you a screenshot of exil flat out telling me that on beta you pulled avatars and I can show you a screenshot of 23 members of Second Dawn being in emerald halls in early October. Maybe you want to get your facts straight because I have the proof and I am pretty sure I have posted it on eq2flames previously.
Also, no I never raided a single thing, I never entered a raid zone, i didnt even find out where they were in beta. Here is what I did on beta, my alt did obelisk/crypt a couple times. My alt fought Buffy the Adventure Slayer once. Ishbu sat on BB docks and checked out AA's. Ok Ill be the first to admit if I world firsted either of those heroic instances or 100aa's its crap because i used beta info to do so. I highly doubt I did or if I did, anyone cares because who gives a fuck about heroic instances? So no, not a hypocrit, maybe next time you might want to know what yoru talking about because the only thing you got right was the game set match, you lose.
Go to the dissolution website, ill put up the screenshot of the date/time that second dawn was in beta testing emerald halls. Ill put up the screenshto of beta.exill saying how they pulled the avatars.
Just trying to be objective here, but i think you read alot more into that statement than was actually warranted. (Also, i think there's supposed to be an image at the top of the post that isn't appearing.)
The image i saw doesn't provide any proof as to your claims about the other ww1st's they got (eg. EH, Mayong, etc), nor does it support the allegation of direct dev help.
They didn't kill the (mostly bugged) avatars in beta, and i don't believe they cleared freethinkers.
The advantage they gained from that knowledge is probably the equivalent of about an hour of fact finding pulls, not the huge advantage of complete encounter mechanics of which you are alluding to. Also, any knowledge gained of (somewhat easy) EH during beta was pretty much entirely invalidated when the devs completely revamped the zone prior to launch.
As for SD beating a bugged avatar and the dev's acknowledging the bug, big deal, they got lucky, it happens all the time. I think every guild has gotten lucky/unlucky at one time or another. Several guilds beat the bugged Tarinax in KoS, so by your reasoning, none of those kill claims upto the point that Tarinax is at now are valid either.
IMHO, you're making a mountain out of a mole hill or just trying to make excuses as to why you guys were beaten, which is fine by me. It doesn't impact on my gameplay, or my guilds, one single bit.
I think it comes down when objective people read the claims your making, and then view the evidence on which you are basing your conclusions, you come out looking pretty childish and/or jealous.
I think it's time to drop it, before you come off looking even worse than you already do (even thought i know you don't care what people think of you), and just get on with it. Because, after all, it's just a damn game.
You may say I look bad, but I know I can always say this, somethign SD can never truthfully say:
I beat all these encounters without beta testing them.
End of story.
You may say I look bad, but I know I can always say this, somethign SD can never truthfully say:
I beat all these encounters without beta testing them.
End of story.
Ishbu said this but he beta tested Wuoshie.....omg you are just like your guild name. DISSOLUSION a smoke screen of truth...... THANKS COME AGAIN WITH OTHER BULLSHIT FOR YOUR KILLS!
Lol I never beta tested Wuoshi. Get a clue before posting again because you actually made everyone who read that less intelligent.
Like I said, grats SD on beta testing.
Why would so many people take offense to that statement if it A) wasnt true, and B) didnt offer them a major advantage? They wouldnt, they know its both A and B and it eats you people up to know that they are nothing but a special needs beta guild.
Like posted earlier, they can decline beta and prove us wrong next expansion, but we all know they wont do it because they dont feel they are good enough.
If Im a crying dumbass whats that make you? You know, the guy who is upset enough to come to my blog and post because what Im saying is true and it hurts your feelings.
noone other than SD and ishbu give a shit about SD world firsting some random mob, just as noone other than disso give a shit when they world first something. its a game, with fictional characters in coco fucking pop lane. time to step back in to real world ishbu, take a deep breath, then come back to crying over who did what to whom and when (and whether mobs that didnt pop for disso didnt pop for sd)
Obviously you care otherwise why would you read a blog about the game and take time to post about it?
Saying nobody cares is probably the dumbest thing you can say because the sheer act of you posting implies you cared in some way or another.
Oh and I agree, anyone who lets me hurt their feelings in this game does suck at life. I kind of feel bad for them.
Guilds who beta test/interact with game devs take themselves out of the running in terms of world first competition. End of story. This is how things have always been...and I don't personally think anyone other then guild fanboys see it differently. Hopefully the majority of players will realize when making their top3 guild lists of worldfirsts...they will leabe beta-testing guilds off the list.
For all anyone else knows, people in Disso could have been beta testing raid content as well. We all know Ishbu was in beta, as were at least like 7 Disso members that admit to it. So, how hard would it be for them to get a raid going to test content. Want to hear a good one not supported by facts like a lot of stuff Disso says... here goes...
I heard that all of Disso got Beta invites, and they all created beta buffed chars with different names so they could beta test all the content and no one would ever know its Disso, so they could get an advantage, but never have anyone know they were really a beta guild.
I herd ishbu tested gaige in beta!
The funniest part is that by constantly trying to play up how hardcore they are and downplaying other guilds' successes, Disso are fast becoming the joke guild of the game. A guild so 'hardcore' they are practically a parody of the wordy.
Seriously, do you not know other guilds are actually laughing at your antics on the various forums? Your utter denial of successes by other guilds is just that funny.
How does it feel to be the butt of jokes made by other guilds much less successful that find you funny?
Oh and learn to construct decent sentences in properly spelled English you ignorant buffoon.
Funny site, your ranting is nearly as hilarious as your atempts at debate and logic.
Keep it up champ. You will win at EQ2 someday soon, I'm sure.
Does it matter if they are laughing at us? Fact is we kill shit as well or better than anyone and we didnt beta test it for over a month before anyone else got access to the content.
They can laugh all they want, but in the end, we just do it better.
Id rather be laughed at and actually good without beta testing than only good enough to kill what a good guild does with beta testing. Then again I like to succeed in game based on my guilds acomplishments and not help from SOE. I guess thats the difference between disso and other guilds like second dawn.
Using the innocent until proven guilty method that is prevalent in many countries, including the US...
GUILTY: Second Dawn Beta-Tested Emerald Halls...Proof: www.eq2disso.com -> general forums
INNOCENT: Dissolution Beta-Tested Emerald Halls...Proof: Non-existent
The proof is right there in the screen shot, 23 members of Second Dawn were clearly in Emerald Halls during Beta...
IMO they should add the amount of time they had to beta test EH to there WW1st kill date, which puts them behind more than just Dissolution...
Lol yeah sure. First off, anyone who knows about my past can tell right away your full of shit because I was not guilded during the time of KoS beta, I had been kicked out of Dissolution. I was considering applying to NPU at the time so I hung out with them in beta and those of them that were there can tell you i was in temple of scale once and for part of a gorenaire raid that I went LD during because I decided that beta testing raid content is not for me.
As for as EoF is concerned, I didnt even know where exactly the zone in to ANY raid zone was, let alone where an avatar spawned. The ONLY raid anything I saw in EoF beta was Buffy the Adventure Slayer, a generic mob in a generic room given generic abilities to see what players could do versus things such as max dps or max haste on a mob. Oh, and I saw the Pumpkin Headed Horseman but never pulled him.
Seriously, I have no doubt that certain, many, or all devs cant stand me, but thats about all you have correct in your post. I know for a fact I did not EVER beta test anything more than what i have already just listed and I know for a fact you cant prove otherwise because it simply did not happen.
Lets see for good measure characters I play are named as follows:
Ishbu - Conjuror
Sarcasmo (was Flexo at the start of KoS beta) - Swashbuckler
Rocksteady - Guardian
Inhiding - Defiler
I also have the following characters I dont play but are on my accounts:
Flexsar - 54 Inquisitor
Chocula - 25 Dirge
Swiftlikewind - 25 Ranger
Bluebery - 33 Guardian
Then to go a step further I had one beta character:
Sloma - 11 Fae Ranger
He was created before character copies, but clearly I did not raid on a level 11 ranger.
There is everything you could possibly know about my characters, so come on, if a developer says I raided, lets see it because I know for a fact I didnt and I highly doubt you will bring a real developer's name into this because you are clearly lieing about them.
Shit I missed one:
Port - level 25 Warden. He ports me around.
I just found this page and would like to go on record and say it's fucking hilarious. Ishiru From Butcherblock Server.
Ishbu, you whine when SOE doesn't test their game content properly, and you whine if someone helps them test their game content...
Quote: "I for one, am quite happy that of all the raid content cleared that Dissolution did it either first or second in EoF so far."
Now what exactly did Dissolution do first in EoF? We're you first to log in to the game after the servers came up? We're you first to whine about the broken content? We're you first to have no fuicking clue about the wolfsbane's although the hints were given to you in such a way that anyone with the ability to read would know.
Fact is that the reason you are second to beat shit is because those that beat it first gives you all the strats in one way or another. Now tell me why that mekes you better than any beta guild. LOL. You actually need to have the strats handed to you on a silver platter in order to kill anything worth mentioning.
You can still be the first to worldfirst the Rumbler. Why don't you go ahead doing that? Is it because no one has given you any strats how to beat it or is it because you don't care because you can just yell the encounter anyway?
You're guild is fucking joke. I used to respect Dissolution, but that respect is gone. Good game!
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