Down to Their Last at Bat
Well its about that time again. Time for beta.
Its no secret that raiders as a whole are fairly unhappy with the game. Lets review:
- Desert of Flames (entire expansion) Strike 1
- Kingdom of Sky (itemization and progression) Strike 2
So now we have Echoes of Faydwer. Will it deliver on so many unfufilled promises? One would hope so, however I am not an optomist. The glass is half empty here and beta is off to a bad start.
So far it is just the friends and family beta, yet the entire guild of Fires of Heaven, Drow, and Second Dawn are in beta already. Ne Plus Ultra and The Bekwen Alliance will also be added to beta as a guild, and possibly others. This proves that SOE has learned nothing.
With no level cap increase here is exactly what will happen when EoF goes live:
1. Beta guild logs in and rushes to some zone in EoF
2. Beta guild clears through raid zone/raid access quest/contested mob in first pull
3. Every raid guild that wasnt in beta doesnt even know this zone/quest/mob exsist
4. Should a non beta guild be lucky enough to stumble upon the zone/quest/mob they will have to pull and learn the encounter or explore or whatever where the beta guild will have perfected it during the 2 months of beta.
How pathetic is this? There is no level increase this time to even slow down the beta guilds. You might as well give them the laser goggles because unless the guild sucks, there is no way a beta guild should lose any meaningful world firsts in EoF. Let me repeat that, if you are a beta guild and you lose a meaningful world first in EoF to a non beta guild, you suck. You have a 2month head start. You will know the encounter, you will know where it is, how to pull it, what it does, how to kill it. EVERYTHING about the encounter will be common knowledge to your guild, where non beta guilds will be gazing upon it for the first time.
Congrats SOE on putting EoF in a huge hole. Calling off the "race" before the expansion even hits store shelves is the wrong foot to start on. And to the beta guilds, grats on beta info. I for one will not be impressed by a single thing world firsted by a beta guild. If your so damn good, you should have declined being in beta, otherwise its just sad in my book.
Its no secret that raiders as a whole are fairly unhappy with the game. Lets review:
- Desert of Flames (entire expansion) Strike 1
- Kingdom of Sky (itemization and progression) Strike 2
So now we have Echoes of Faydwer. Will it deliver on so many unfufilled promises? One would hope so, however I am not an optomist. The glass is half empty here and beta is off to a bad start.
So far it is just the friends and family beta, yet the entire guild of Fires of Heaven, Drow, and Second Dawn are in beta already. Ne Plus Ultra and The Bekwen Alliance will also be added to beta as a guild, and possibly others. This proves that SOE has learned nothing.
With no level cap increase here is exactly what will happen when EoF goes live:
1. Beta guild logs in and rushes to some zone in EoF
2. Beta guild clears through raid zone/raid access quest/contested mob in first pull
3. Every raid guild that wasnt in beta doesnt even know this zone/quest/mob exsist
4. Should a non beta guild be lucky enough to stumble upon the zone/quest/mob they will have to pull and learn the encounter or explore or whatever where the beta guild will have perfected it during the 2 months of beta.
How pathetic is this? There is no level increase this time to even slow down the beta guilds. You might as well give them the laser goggles because unless the guild sucks, there is no way a beta guild should lose any meaningful world firsts in EoF. Let me repeat that, if you are a beta guild and you lose a meaningful world first in EoF to a non beta guild, you suck. You have a 2month head start. You will know the encounter, you will know where it is, how to pull it, what it does, how to kill it. EVERYTHING about the encounter will be common knowledge to your guild, where non beta guilds will be gazing upon it for the first time.
Congrats SOE on putting EoF in a huge hole. Calling off the "race" before the expansion even hits store shelves is the wrong foot to start on. And to the beta guilds, grats on beta info. I for one will not be impressed by a single thing world firsted by a beta guild. If your so damn good, you should have declined being in beta, otherwise its just sad in my book.
posted by Ishbu at 10:25 AM
22 Comments:
I'll just call BS now and say quit trying to hide the truth.
Renaven, dont kid yourself.
Obviously I am not in NPU, but I do know Lyndro is getting you as a guild into EoF beta. Do you know why it hasnt been done yet? Lyndro's wife had a child last week so he took a little time off to help out. As soon as he is back, your guild invites will be there in the mail.
We all know devs have their guilds they like working with and their guilds they favor. Lyndro is your number 1 fanboy. Dont insult people by thinking for one minute he wont be getting your entire guild into beta.
Also dont think that you have some sort of special uber bug finding ability. Take any random 24 people and run them through the same thing and they will find the same bugs. The only reason a guild wouldnt decline it is because they want and/or need to have that leg up. The bugs will be found and fixed with or without an entire guild present.
So maybe you should get your sources right if someone outside of your guild knows more about it than you do. Also, your track record proves you should be in beta? Your track record of what, using things to your advantage like DT access? Your track record proves you took knowledge from beta and used it as an advantage in live, wich proves you should NOT have beta access if anything.
Give it up, you're making total bullshit lies and you can't cover yourself.
"Here's one: we never even did the DT access quest in beta"
Or live.
Renaven, come on, dont be this dense.
The devs all have their guilds they like, and its no secret lyndro loves you guys, not because of anything you tested but only because you beat DMP first. He is the lead on EoF and he will be getting you into beta. When he comes back and your in beta are you just going to tell me lucky guess?
He posted about it on the summit boards a long time ago how he likes you guys and is going to continue to bring you into beta. He will be doing so. To say he isnt shows pure ignorance
Quote Renavent "interaction with the Developers."
Something no guild should have over another.
Someone tell me hwo to edit that, mispelled Revnaven.
Any guild as close to the devs as npu aren't considered a real guild. They are more soe employees, working for free(paying actually)
It's just a shame theres some people in this game that count them, or any guild who holds hands with the devs, as valid "world firsters"
PS: I liked the quote "We never did DT access in beta" and someone responded, "or in live" lmao, how true. Didn't know how to do i in beta? pff, get a dev to just zone ya right in!!
Beta guilds may or may not wind up getting some worldwide firsts, but you can always count on Dissolution to get the worldwide first on whining about it.
Like the sun rising in the east, you can reliably expect poor, oppressed Ishbu to carry the flag for all of the other not-quites and maybe-next-times, in their valiant crusade against the cowardly infidels who dare accept the opportunity to shape forthcoming expansions. Four stars! I look forward to the next sequel of this timeless dramedy, just in time for the holiday season.
Notable omission from your tabloid exposé: Your very own Gaige, a.k.a. Refrain, a.k.a. Quasimm is in already in the beta as well. I guess he didn't get the memo that accepting a beta invite is an admission of inferiority. I guess he felt he needed the leg up. If he was so damn good, he should have declined being in beta, right?
Hey, maybe he'll actually refuse to fill you in on any beta info (wink wink, nudge nudge), so you can maintain your flimsy facade of propriety. Or maybe you'll just log on his account and see it all for yourself. Either way, your soapbox sermons are as meaningless as ever.
Incoming in 5 seconds: A hollow rebuttal by Pinski about how my anonymous opinion doesn't matter. Really. As if you're any less anonymous.
God, no wonder Xede bailed. Good for him.
Wow that last commenter is very very dumb.
If you havent figured out by now that I am not against beta testing, but solely against ENTIRE GUILDS beta testing, I dont know what to tell you. If you look through all my posting in all outlets about beta testing it all referst to ENTIRE GUILDS doing it, not a few individuals.
Let me say that again ENTIRE GUILDS. Do you understand now.
If you wanted to post, you could at least have a clue about what your responding to.
And btw, this isnt a sermon. This was a document for my own use later on. The minute some beta testing guild is like OMG [instert encounter here] DOWN WW FIRST, I can refer to this saying, i didnt know wich guild was going to do it, i just flat out said before it happened grats on beta testing as a guild.
And the big thing you really miss is that I only point out the beta thing when its true. I always congratulate the guilds that beat mobs that didnt get exclusive testing rights.
For a perfect example of the two, look no further than TFD. I didnt congratulate NPU or SD on chel'drak. I congratulated both on the matron. The difference? Both those guilds beta tested Chel'drak. No guilds got to really beta test the matron. Killing the matron was something that I thought wow, those guilds really fought it out with her, grats. Chel'drak my first thought is grats on dev help.
Its not a me hating on any guild, its me hating on beta testing for entire guilds and I will continue to do so. And for the record, should NPU as a guild not get into beta, I will issue a public apology to them here, even if 15 of their members are running around, that is still different than having the devs bring your whole guild in.
Oh and btw about xede, you can listen to whatever he wants to tell you. The truth is he tried to start a mutiny and failed miserably.
tried to start a mutiny? hah. I tried to get what everyones concerns were in the guild. Get your facts straight first. As an officer I decided to go and find out to bring to you. But obviously you saw it different and failed to acknowledge that fact on what i stated.
here's the definition stated for a mutiny via dictionary.com. This is #2.
rebellion against any authority.
i was not rebelling. I was getting facts and information concerning your previous actions. I also stated in my message I would bring up the issues to you if most of the members saw a similar thing as me. But then one of your little cockgoblins decided hey I'm gonna say Xede is making a mutiny against Ishbu blah blah blah.
want to know exactly what i sent to everyone...well here you go:
I want all of your honest opinions on how things are being ran and how Ishbu is approaching things. Also i wanna know your opinions of ishbu atm on how he is acting as a whole. Whether its good, bad, etc.
Anyways all your answers will be kept confidential and only be known to me. Some of you have sent me tells asking wtf is up with him etc. I wanna know as a whole what everyone thinks and see if anyone else thinks the same as I do.
I will tell you all how i feel right now. I personally am close to deguilding because of him and what he has done in recent events. I can understand where he is coming from but acting like a big baby and not raiding is stupid. We are a hardcore raid guild and need to raid. That is what we do. Obviously he thinks its a choice and seems yet bitches when people go afk, cant log in due to RL stuff, etc. He is a hypocrite and crazy. I told him before he is crossing into the crazy side of the fine line between hardcore and crazy. He didnt take it lightly. Another thing is i took him off as admin of this website since I do pay for the ads to be removed and the url to be dissolution.guildportal.com. Only things he cannot do now is change member status or change the site settings and he didnt like that. Recently he took me off as an admin on the DKP site so basically if he wants to whine and not raid we can still raid but wont get any DKP unless someone sends ishbu the information. I am tired of his ass and i know i am not the only one. There is alot more stuff as well but that is basically the general idea on how i feel. I hated Magank but as of right now Magank would be my best friend compared to Ishbu if that says anything. Personally i think he is going to end up breaking this guild up as people over time will not want to raid with him and cause them to disband. Zaphear for example, yah i can prolly agree that most hated him than liked him but its obvious that ishbu is the main reason he left.
All in all i am basically tired of ishbu and merely sick of his actions. I dont wanna deguild as i have been around since the beginning and enjoyed every minute of it until recently. With that please respond appropriately with your thoughts and concerns. As stated before, I will keep them confidential and if i see a similar trend i may bring this up to him. I will not name names but if i do bring it up to him i will state about how many see it similar.
there you go. As stated i would bring it up if the majority viewed the same thing about you. Obviously a few did.
Heres the fun part Xede, everyone told me about it because they just didnt want to cause drama so they went along with you. And you cant deny the mistells you sent to me so keep thinking what you want.
The bottom line is, you deguilded because everyone ratted you out and you realized that nobody was with you in the end. You burned your bridges, have fun in a lesser guild that accepts your shitty dps as good.
renavan:
to focus on fixing bugs seems to be sidestepping the issue. With over a month to beta test content with no level increase and starting with well-geared players, will you still call world wide first on epic encounters? The guilds that are already in are actively experimenting with x4 level 75 content, and I guess its just dissapointing to have those same guilds take that advantage and throw it in the face of other guilds.
It's one thing to be humble about helping the game, and that is an attitude anyone can respect. Its claiming "best fucking guild" after beating content tested for months with close interaction with developers is just... dissapointing I guess.
I know beta testing is unavoidable, and I thank any guild/person who puts in the time to see stuff fixed. But it just seems like too often guilds take advantage of it and dont evoke the humility they should.
This is all just speculation though. None of that attitude has been thrown around - I'd just bet money that it will be come november.
Let me sum up Xede's post:
"Whaa Whaa Whaa. Nobody wanted to follow me so now Im mad! WHAAA!"
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